The shelves are empty, except for a few select calibers. Those calibers are 243 Winchester, 30-30 Winchester, 270 Winchester, 7mm magnum, 45 colt and 30-06 Springfield. A line of people are standing at the counter in the hopes the store got a shipment in.
Sounds like something from a movie? Nope, its the result of panic buying after the Communist Dianne Feinstein talked about another gun ban in the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting.
The calibers left on the shelf share some common denominators, they do not fit semi-automatic rifles, nor are they chambered in modern day military grade rifles.
The M1 Garand is chambered 30-06, but its not like the M1 Garand is sold by very many sporting goods stores. When someone goes looking for a new deer rifle, chances are the M1 Garand is not even on the screen.
There are semi-automatic rifles on the market chambered for 243 Winchester and 270 Winchester, but they are not very popular with modern day hunters.
What Was Sold Out
Everything besides the calibers listed above were sold out. 223 Remington, 22 long rifle, 308 Winchester,,,,,.
If it fit a semi-automatic rifle, and especially a military style rifle, it was sold out.
Lets say SHTF tomorrow, what would be your top priorities? Besides safe drinking water, food production and property protection is at the top of my list.
One of the questions I ask myself, how do you develop a sustainable food supply, and at the same time protect your property? Well, its not really “how”, but where do you divide your resources to best serve you and your family.
Lets say you have $20. Would that $20 serve you better as ammunition, or through livestock such as chickens? What about tools and fencing supplies? Would that $20 serve you well as a hammer, wire cutters, staples for fencing wire, or as barbed wire?
If you have a few million dollars to spend, we would not have to be asking these questions. We would just buy the land, and buy all of the supplies that we need.
Unfortunately, most of us have limited resources. Due to these limited resources we need to spend wisely. And thus we ask questions to find answers.
Someone on my facebook friends list posted a picture of 4 survival firearms – pistol, Ruger 10/22, Remington 870 and AR-15.
I suggested the AR-15 be replaced with an AK-47. This is why I made that suggestion,
22 Long Rifle VS 223 Remington
When you look at the two calibers, the 22 long rifle bullet is not much smaller then the 223 Remington. If your shots are less then 100 yards, the 22 long rifle loaded with high grade bullets can get close to 223 Remington. Lets be honest, there is no way the 22 Long Rifle can match the ballistics of the 223 Remington.
22 long rifle, CCI mini-mag hollow points, 36 grain bullet, bullet diameter .222 inch (5.6 mm)
223 Remington, 55 grain bullet full metal jacket, bullet diameter .224 inch (5.7 mm)
There is not “that” much difference between the 22 long rifle bullet and the 223 Remington bullet. Keep in mind we are talking about bullet diameter and bullet weight, and not the cartridge length.
Is there a difference between the 22 long rifle and the 223 Remington? Of course there is. But if I were shooting less then say 75 yards, I would take either the 22 long rifle or the 223 Remington.
Sturmgewehre has posted another outstanding video on youtube, this time its about the AKS-74U Krinkov.
In 1979, a shortened carbine variant of the AKS-74 was adopted into service with the Soviet Army: the AKS-74U (“U” — Russian: укороченный; Ukorochenniy, or “shortened”), which in terms of tactical deployment, bridges the gap between a submachine gun and an assault rifle. It was intended for use mainly with special forces, airborne infantry, rear-echelon support units and armored vehicle crews. It is still used in these roles, but has been augmented by various submachine guns, and the AK-105. It is also commonly used by law enforcement; for example, each urban police foot patrol is issued at least one.
The rifle’s compact dimensions, compared to the AKS-74, were achieved by using a short 210 mm (8.3 in) barrel (this forced designers to simultaneously reduce the gas piston operating rod to an appropriate length). In order to effectively stabilize projectiles, the barrel’s twist rate was increased from 200 mm (1:8 in) to 160 mm (1:6.3 in). A new gas block was installed at the muzzle end of the barrel with a new conical flash hider combined with a cylindrical muzzle booster, which features an internal expansion chamber that increases the weapon’s reliability. The booster supplies an increased amount of residual gas from the barrel for the gas system. The chrome-lined muzzle booster also burns any remaining propellant thus reducing the gun’s signature. The muzzle device locks into the gas block with a spring-loaded detent and features two notches cut into the flash hider cone, used for disassembly using the supplied cleaning rod. The forward sling loop was relocated to the left side of the carbine and the front sight was integrated into the gas block.
For a SHTF situation
I see the AKS-74U as mainly a truck or boat gun, maybe something to carry around the Bug Out Location.
The problem I have, is that I were to buy another AK style rifle, it would “have” to be an AK47 in 7.62×39. I do not want to have to start all over stockpiling yet “another” caliber.
I already stockpile 22 long rifle, 223, 270, 280, 7.62×39, 30-30 and 308 Winchester. Adding yet another caliber to the mix would further complicate my stockpile.
Besides the stockpiling ammunition issue, what niche does the AK-74 fill? What can the AK-74 do that the AR-15, AK-47 and FN/FAL can not do?
Another stockpiling ammunition for shtf teotwawki article
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Lets say that some kind of SHTF situation happens tonight, how ready is your ammunition stockpile? Whether its nuclear war, plague, disease outbreak, collapse of the dollar,,,, something happens to disrupt society. What kind of ammunition do you have stockpiled to hunt and protect your property? Have you taken any wild game with the ammunition you have stockpiled? Have you sighted in your rifle with the various types you have stockpiled?
My wife and I made a trip to the Academy sports and outdoors in Lufkin Texas just to buy some ammunition. It seems that the walmart in Jasper Texas can not keep certain types of ammunition in stock. Its either buy online, or drive almost an hour just to buy some ammo.
Todays Haul Includes:
100 rounds Federal 223 Remington
20 rounds 30-30 Winchester in Remington core-lokt 150 grain
20 rounds 308 Winchester in Remington core-lokt 150 grain
20 rounds 30-06 Springfield in Remington core-lokt 150 grain
120 rounds 7.62×39 in Monarch 123 grain full metal jacket
You may be asking “why so much Remington core-lokt?”
Because its a proven performer in southeast Texas whitetail deer.
I stockpile what I know works. Over the past decade and a half my family and I have taken dozens of whitetail deer with Remington core-lokt and in a wide range of calibers.
A few examples of deer taken taken with 30-30, 270 and 308 Winchester. All of these deer were taken with Remington core-lokt.
156 pound whitetail deer
taken with 30-30 Winchester
Video details how the department of homeland security is taking bids on ammunition. If you remember, the DHS bought several hundred million rounds of 40 S&W early in 2012.
This newly added quota bring the number up to over 500 million rounds – enough for every man, woman and child in the U.S. to be shot at least once.
While talking to my brother who works in law enforcement, he told me the DHS supplies ammunition to police departments, border patrol, just all different government agencies.
Even after talking about it, we never could come up with a logical reason for the DHS to be ordering 500+ million rounds of various types of ammunition.
My personal opinion, the DHS is stockpiling ammunition for a situation where they would not be able to order resupplies on demand.
What could cause the DHS not to get ammunition on demand?
Wide spread civil unrest
Disruption of the power grid
Something else the government knows about
With the government owing more money then they are taking in, we do not have the funds to be buying millions of rounds of ammunition. When you are in debt, the idea is to cut back, cut your outgoing cash flow and increase your incoming cash flow.
If the U.S. is so strapped for cash, why is the government buying millions of rounds of ammunition?
Why do you think the DHS is stockpiling millions of rounds of ammunition?
In the 1980s there were three events that helped influence my opinion on handguns and handgun calibers.
#1 – My dad and I were having a discussion on a revolver vs a pistol. Even though a revolver holds fewer rounds then a pistol, my dad liked the revolver over pistol the due to the reliability of the revolver. There was nothing to jam with the revolver like there is with a pistol.
My dad worked as a Jasper County Texas deputy sheriff during the 1970s. Even though I greatly respect his opinion, I feel that his opinion might have been influenced by organizations like the FBI who used a service revolver instead of a pistol like the 1911.
The service revolver my dad used was a S&W model 66 combat magnum. When I graduated high school in 1986, mom and dad bought me a model 66 combat magnum just like dads.
There were two major sticking points on the revolver vs pistol discussion my dad and I had. Those points where the effectiveness of the 357 magnum, and the reliability of the revolver.
If you are going to use a handgun, make sure its reliable and make sure the cartridge is large enough to get the job done.
Bought some Monarch 308 from Academy sports and outdoors
Fired off a few rounds and took pictures
Its an election year, and a democrap is president. Every election year there is a rush on guns and ammunition. When a democrap is in office, the panic buying gets really bad. People are worried about the glorious dicktator obama stripping us of our rights. So what do we do? We stock up.
Our glorious dicktator obama has done more to promote panic buying then any other president I can remember (I am 44 years old).
When bill clinton was elected office, and when the assault rifle ban was passed, people freaked out and bought everything in sight. Every time the dicktator opens his mouth gun sales spike.
We just “thought” bill clinton was bad.
It is not “just” the elections, people are worried about the economy, jobs, tensions with iran, tensions with china. To be perfectly honest, people are worried.
308 getting scarce
I do not know if my local walmart in Jasper, Texas does not order 308 Winchester, or they can not get in. But either way, I have not seen Remington core-lokt 150 grain 308 Winchester in a couple of months. I have not seen Federal in maybe 2 months or so.
308 supplies online seem to be drying up, or at the very least hit and miss. Someone might have 308 in stock for a couple of days, and then they are sold out.
If I did order online, all I would be getting is FMJ. Yea FMJ is cheap, it works, but its not very good for hunting. Sure FMJ pokes a hole, but some expansion would be nice.
Academy sports and outdoors sells a Monarch brand ammunition in a wide range of calibers. For the past 5 or 6 years all I have shot out of my AK47 is steel cased Monarch. Since it shoots good out of the AK, I decided to pick up a couple of box in 308 Winchester.
As I was stacking a new box of 30-30 Winchester (Remington core-lokt 150 grain) and a box of 12 gauge slugs on the shelf, I started thinking about having a well rounded ammunition stockpile.
When talking about ammunition, we need to realize that there is no perfect answer. I live and hunt in southeast Texas, my longest shots are in the 125 yard range. 200 yards is a long shot for this area. The only place we get to see 200 yards, much less shoot that far is either on a pipeline or a highline.
In New Mexico, west Texas, Arizona, Colorado,,, 200 yards might be a short shot.
Someone in the south with dense timber will probably do just fine with a 30-30 or 308. Someone making 200 and 300 yard shots may need a 25-06, 7mm magnum, 300 Winchester magnum, 30-06,,,. Someone in Alaska where grizzly is an everyday threat, maybe something like a 338 Winchester Magnum, 375 H&H or 12 gauge slug.
Lets use this article as a generalization, rather then an exact science.
To kick off the discussion, lets start with the two boxes I bought today:
Prepping (aka survivalism) is a path with no end. Its a journey that sometimes has a beginning, but will have no end. Being a survivalist is a way of life, its not a hobby or something that we do in our “free time”.
For some survivalist, the start of their journey is when the light turns on in their head. Someone may decide that they need more food stocked up for hurricanes, or for earthquakes. Part of stockpiling our preps is doing reviews, taking inventory, modifying our plans,,, its a never ending challenge. Part of that challenge is looking at what we have done, where we have been, and where we need to go.
Back in June 2011 my wife and I decided to expand our stockpile of #10 cans of freeze dried foods. One of the issues that I ran into, there was a shortage of freeze dried foods in #10 cans, and there seemed to be a limited selection of freeze dried eggs.
After buying a #10 can of Mountain House scrambled eggs with ham, and a #10 can of Mountain House scrambled eggs with bacon, I started wondering if there was a better option. There “has” to be a better option then spending a small fortune on freeze dried foods in #10 cans.
This past weekend I decided it was time to organize the ammunition at the Bug Out Location. We had ammo stored in 3,,, 4 different locations, which made taking inventory a pain in the rear end.
My wife cleared off a wire shelf so I could bring it to the camp and organize the ammo stockpile. The idea was to get all of the ammo together, see what we have and go from there.
Ammunition at the Bug Out Location is your “oh crap, the S has seriously HTF.” If you have to rely on the ammunition stockpile that you BOL, something really bad has happened – you and your family have had to leave your home, friends and family are probably knocking on your door asking for help,,, things have gone from bad to worse.
Because I look at BOL ammo as a last resort, I only stockpile what I normally shoot in my rifles. This is ammunition that has been tried, tested and proven to work in my rifle and on the game animals in my area. Why use a certain type of ammunition during hunting season, and stockpile a different type of ammo at the Bug Out Location? While this applies to hunting ammo, I look at defensive ammo in a different light.
As for defensive ammo, I stockpile one type, and its something that preforms well in my rifles. The goal of defensive ammo is to poke holes in the target.
Lets talk about stockpiling food, ammo and fishing supplies for SHTF. These are the supplies that will be used to feed and protect your family if, or when, the SHTF. There is no perfect survival plan, and only the fool says otherwise. Its because of this admission that my plans have changed over the years.
My food stockpile has gone from simple stockpiling beans and rice plans, to something a little more complex.
In the ammunition category, my plans have gone from having various rounds stockpiled, to taking inventory, and trying to standardize my SHTF ammo stockpile.
The fishing category is where I am currently having the most fun. I have gone from just stockpiling fishing supplies to running trotlines and testing my fishing plans.
10 – 15 years ago I was stockpiling beans, rice, MREs, canned goods and some garden seed. My plans were to head to the bug out location, plant a garden, and hunt for fresh meat. It was a simple plan that had a lot of holes.
About 6 or 7 years ago I decided to focus more on gardening, and less on hunting. My family and I started planting fruit trees (peach, pear, apple, plum,,,) and I started stockpiling more garden seed. Then came along the drought of 2010 and 2011. In the past 2 years this part of Texas is at least 3 feet low on rainfall. Lake Sam Rayburn is about 9 feet low as of when this article was written. The long solution to a long term survival plan is having a self-sustaining farm and garden. In the face of global climate change getting a farm and garden up and running from scratch is going to be a little difficult.
About a year ago I decided to change my plans again and add mylar bags, and some homemade superpails to my SHTF food stockpile. So now we have mylar bags, MREs, canned goods, fruit trees and garden seeds. In the mylar bags I stored beans, rice, oats, pancake mix, pasta,,,, and a few other things.
In the face of climate change, my plans have changed yet again.
Instead of relying entirely on hunting for meat, and beans for protein, I decided its time to bite the bullet and start stockpiling #10 cans of freeze dried meats, fruit and certain vegetables.
Recent #10 can purchase includes:
2 – Diced Broccoli
1 – Beef Stew
1 – Spaghetti with meat and sauce
1 – Chili mac with beef
My current plans include #10 cans of freeze dried meats, fruit, veggies; mylar bags of rice, beans, oats, pasta,,,, MREs, Eversafe meals, canned goods, garden seeds, fruit trees, and places to hunt at the bug out location.
The food in mylar bags is for side dishes, where the food in #10 cans is going to be for the main dish, and a second side dish. Lets say that we open a can of chili mac. For a side dish we could open a bag of rice and a #10 can of broccoli. This would provide a meal of chili mac, rice and broccoli.
My ammo preps have stayed pretty much to same over the past 15+ years. There are 2 categories – defensive ammunition and hunting ammunition.
Defensive ammunition: This is your typical low cost ball ammo. With this stuff you want to make sure its reliable, accurate, and low cost.
Hunting ammo – this is your pointed softpoint, remington core-lokt,,,,,, stuff designed for hunting.
Here lately I have been switching between buying 30-30 and 308 Remington core-lokt ammunition. One week I buy a box of 30-30, the next week I buy a box of 308. Add some random 223 and 7.62×39 into the mix, and you have a combination of hunting and defensive ammo.
Recent ammunition purchases:
7 boxes Monarch 223 Remington 55 grain full metal jacket
5 boxes Monarch 7.62×39 123 grain full metal jacket
1 box 30-30 Remington core-Lokt 150 grain soft point
1 box Monarch 308 Winchester 145 grain full metal jacket
Stockpiling fishing supplies:
Fishing is what I am currently playing around with, and to be honest, fishing is fun. Whether its throwing a lure into the water, setting a trotline or throwing out some noodles, you never know what you’re going to pull up.
Recent fishing supply purchases include:
1 box – Berkley Trilene XL 12 pound test
1 spool – Ande monofilament 50 pound test
1 box – Mustard 11/0 circle hooks (25 hooks)
In the fishing gear category, I have been stockpiling trotline string, hooks, leader material, weights, lures, snaps, swivels,,,, and just about everything else I can get my hands on.
By stockpiling #10 cans of freeze dried foods, food stored in mylar bags, ammunition and fishing supplies, we have the ability to feed our family, hunt, provide security and fish.
In this article we mentioned stockpiling seeds and having a garden, but did not cover those topics depth. The topics of seeds and gardening are covered in depth in other articles. Its not that one option is the complete solution, but its a combination of options that makes for a well rounded solution.
By having so many sources of food, we have multiple failure points. If a drought sets in and we have to irrigate the fields, we have food stored in mylar bags, hunting, fishing and #10 cans. If the hunting party comes back empty handed we can open some canned goods, maybe a #10 can, mylar bag of rice and have a great meal.
Today started out around 8 am with a shower, breakfast bar, and a monster energy drink. From there my wife and I went to the local wal-mart, step daughters house, rented a carpet cleaner, sonic for a cheese burger, and the local feed and fertilizer store.
From the feed store, we went to the camp to meet up with my parents and some other family members. After arriving at the camp, we cleaned out a spot for my uncles RV. My uncle and my aunt got on the hunting lease with my family, so their going to be parking their RV at my parents place. We had one person on a Craftsman chainsaw, one person on a pole saw, and 3 people pulling limbs out of the way.
Some of my observations:
The soap dispensers that I brought to the camp worked well. We have 2 dispensers at the kitchen sink and master bedroom sink.
We need some more had tools. My dad was working on the lawnmower and needed some tools. We had enough to get the job done, but some extras would not hurt.
My mom found an LED flashlight that had been left outside. Someone used the light to turn on the propane tank, and left the light outside. One good thing, even after being left outside in the rain, the light still worked. I have no idea how long the ;light had been outside, but it still worked.
I will probably buy a couple more
We need more hand tools, such as machetes, axes, shovels,,,, stuff like that. Lets say that some kind of long term SHTF situation happens, we will need hand tools to work the fields. What good does seed do, if you have no way to work the ground.
Pistol ammo, I would like to have some more of are 9mm, 45 acp and 40S&W.
Rifle ammo, I would like to have some more 30-30, 9mm and 308, but that is just something I am going to have to work on.
Shotgun ammo, we could probably use some more #4 shot and some 00 buckshot.
But over all, if my family had to bug out to the camp, ammunition should not be an issue. Ammunition is one of those things that you can not have enough of.
Now for a random video about survival gear:
On the topic of the ammunition stockpile, I would like to buy a set of shelves and move all of the ammo together in one location. Right now there are boxes spread out through 3 different rooms. The ammo needs to be centralized in one location.
While at the camp I thought about stockpiling diesel for the tractor. There are certain issues with stockpiling diesel, but having diesel for the tractor could really help kick start a garden. Instead of having to work the first garden by hand, we could use the tractor to work up 2 or 3 acres. Having 2 or 3 acres of land that has been worked up by a tractor could really help out in a long term SHTF situation. As for stockpiling diesel at a bug out location, I do not have an answer.
One of my big concerns is safe drinking water. Even though I have a Royal Berkey that I keep at the camp, I do not think that a 2 filter unit could keep up during the summer time. I might have to buy a couple more filters, so that the Royal Berkey is filtering though 4 filters.
We have a water well, but the well is not used enough to keep the water clean.
Our other water source is a nearby stream. The issue is that people living up steam have livestock. The run off from the livestock could introduce waterborne infections like Cryptosporidium and E. Coli.
While I was at the camp I made sure to water the oak trees that I am trying to grow. The oak trees are part of my long term survival plans, as I want a natural setting that draws wild hogs and deer into a certain area of a field. The field is overlooked by a deer stand, so anything that crosses the field should be easy pickings.
We had a slight injury Saturday, when some ran into a leveling blade that was attached to the tractor. The first aid kit was used, and a bandage was applied.
Overall, it was nice visiting with my uncles and aunts. Hopefully I can learn from this trip to the bug out location and can improve on the essentials that we may need to survive a long term SHTF situation.
It was the last weekend of regular deer season, saturday night. A long time member of the deer lease drives up to the camp, and backs his truck up to the scales. That is usually a sure sign that there is a deer in the back of the truck. They get the doe weighed and are stringing it up to skin when I walk out there.
As the skinning of the deer proceeds, there are a few of us standing around helping and watching. The topic turns to the cost of ammunition and bullet performance.
Like a lot of hunters, I tend to buy the cheapest ammo on the shelf – and that is usually Remington Core-Lokt. Over the past 14,,,, 15+ years Core-Lokt is about all that I have bought and shot deer with. During that time I have had no complaints. There is usually a hole going in and a larger hole going out.
The guy who shot the doe goes on to talk about Remington Core-Lokt and how he has since switched to Winchester softpoints. The rifle the guy used was a 270,,,, I do not remember the exact make or model. After talking for a little while, the person who shot the whitetail deer said that he has not been happy with the performance of the Remington Core-Lokt lately and that he felt it may not be expanding like it should. So he switched to the Winchester softpoints.
Whitetail deer taken with 270 remington
I can say one thing about the doe that was being skinned, there was a massive amount of bruising, bleeding and tissue damage. It was like the whole area where the bullet went through had residual damage to the surrendering tissue.
Doing a mental comparison of the deer that was shot with a 270 and Winchester softpoints, and the deer that my son took a couple of years ago with a Marlin 30-30 and Remington Core-Lokt – the 270 caused more tissue damage – both rifles were shooting 150 grain bullet. The 270 travels at a higher velocity then the 30-30, but the 30-30 is a larger in diameter bullet.
Last week my buddy and I were talking about stockpiling ammo for a survival situation – this is when something happens to cause society to break down. Examples are civil unrest, some new disease, climate change,,,,,, something that causes the fabric of mankind to unravel. In general we talked about stockpiling 308, 223, 7.62×39, 22 long rifle and shotgun shells.
My buddy stockpiles 2 different types of ammo for his 308 rifle – ball and hunting ammo.
Ball ammo – is your target round and urban defense round. When my buddy goes to the shooting range, he will shoot ball and most of his magazines are loaded with ball ammo. The plus side of ball ammo, its cheap when compared to the more expensive hunting ammo.
Hunting ammo – this is the ammo your going to be using to hunt deer, moose, elk, wild hogs,,,,, whatever goes in your neck of the woods. Currently my buddy stocks some kind of expensive Hornady ammo that cost something like $35 – $40 for a box of 20.
Instead of stockpiling 2 different types of ammo for my DS Arms FAL, I’am thinking of stockpiling 1 type. This would be something good for hunting, but does not cost a small fortune. My current deer hunting round is a Remington Core-Lokt in either 30-30 or 7mm express / 280 Remington. Over the years I dont know how many deer I have taken with the Remington Core-Lokt. On thin skinned game like the whitetail deer, its very effective.
This deer season my son took a nice East Texas Whitetail 8 point that weighed in at 156 pounds.
Last year my dad took a nice 6 pound that weighed around 125 – 130 pounds.
2 years ago my son harvested a doe. She dropped where she stood when that 15 grain 30-30 Remington Core-Lokt hit her.
3 years ago my son harvested a 6 point. He ran about 20 feet after that Remington Core-Lokt hit him.
4 and 5 years ago I harvested 2 – 8 points.
3 years ago I got a nice 9 point East Texas Whitetail.