Sootch00 has posted a rifle review, this time of the DS Arms SA-58 FN/FAL. From my personal experience of the DS Arms FN/FAL, they are great rifles. Sootch00 goes into some of the history of the FN/FAL. One thing that sets the DS Arms FM/FAL apart from other FNs on the market, the DS Arms […]
Tag: 308 winchester
There is an article on AllOutdoor.com talking about Heavy duty SHTF battle rifles. The picture used for the article shows an AR-10 next to an FN/FAL. Looking at the picture I have to ask myself, why do we need an AR-10 in a niche that is already full? The right arm of the free world, […]
Military Arms Channel on youtube does some pentration test on the 308 Winchester, 7.62×39, 5.45×39 and the 5.56mm.
In the video the tress are said to by 3 feet in diameter. I think that statement is in error. Its probably more like 3 feet in circumference instead of diameter. A simple way to convert circumference to diameter, measure the circumference then divide by 3. If you want to be exact, measure the circumference and then divide by 3.14. For most intents and purposes for this type of video, divide by 3.
I was surprised the 5.45×39 penetrated the tree while the other calibers did not.
What “really” surprised my was the lack of penetration by the 308 Winchester. But then again, shooting from a bullpup the 308 may not have reached terminal velocity. I wonder how the 308 would have done out of a 20 inch or longer barrel, or from a bolt action rifle instead of a semi-automatic.
Why did the 5.45×39 the tree, while the 7.62×39 and the 5.56mm did not?
The shelves are empty, except for a few select calibers. Those calibers are 243 Winchester, 30-30 Winchester, 270 Winchester, 7mm magnum, 45 colt and 30-06 Springfield. A line of people are standing at the counter in the hopes the store got a shipment in.
Sounds like something from a movie? Nope, its the result of panic buying after the Communist Dianne Feinstein talked about another gun ban in the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting.
The calibers left on the shelf share some common denominators, they do not fit semi-automatic rifles, nor are they chambered in modern day military grade rifles.
The M1 Garand is chambered 30-06, but its not like the M1 Garand is sold by very many sporting goods stores. When someone goes looking for a new deer rifle, chances are the M1 Garand is not even on the screen.
There are semi-automatic rifles on the market chambered for 243 Winchester and 270 Winchester, but they are not very popular with modern day hunters.
What Was Sold Out
Everything besides the calibers listed above were sold out. 223 Remington, 22 long rifle, 308 Winchester,,,,,.
Are you considering buying a rifle chambered in 308 Winchester to help you and your family through a long term SHTF situation? The three main rifles on the market are the M1A, PTR-91 and the FN/FAL. There are a lot of articles out there discussing the points of each rifle. What is rarely talked about is the overall cost of ownership.
Why should we worry about the cost of ownership? You save to buy the rifle, then you find out how expensive spare parts are. To some people, the price of spare parts and magazines might be a deciding factor.
Lets look at 2 topics, spare parts and magazines.
What will not be discussed is tacticool items, such as rails, slings and scopes. With so many options on the market, there is too much to discuss when it comes to scopes and slings.
Lets look at just the basic rifle, something that can be used to protect your property, protect your crops, livestock and hunt with.
For this project lets stockpile 25 magazines. This provides 3 rifles with 7 magazines each, and 4 spares.
The following prices are samples taken from random websites.
While we were packing the hog out, I kept wondering how well the 223 Remington would do on wild hogs? I know the 223 Remington is effective, but how effective is it on hogs? Hogs have a thick fat layer, how would that fat layer affect bullet performance?
Lets say that some kind of SHTF situation happens, you and a couple of your buddies go on a hog hunt, what rifles would you pick? Would you pick a semi-auto in 223 Remington or 7.62X39, lever action or bolt action?
The above video makes a good argument for the Ruger Mini-14 and AR-15 platform for hunting after SHTF – low recoil, fast followup shots, effective on hog and deer sized game.
Ok Survivalist, its time to talk about firearms every serious prepper should own.
Whether you are in an urban survival situation, have a homestead you plan on using as a Bug Out Location, bugging in, or bugging out to the wilderness, lets put together a solid list of well preforming firearms.
Requirements for this list require the firearm to have a long history of civilian or military service, and must have a reputation of being reliable.
Ruger 10/22 is the bees knees of 22 rifles. There are a lot of 22 rifles out there, but few of them can compare to the reliability and the customization of the Ruger 10/22.
My first experience with a Ruger 10/22 was sometime in 1984 or 1985 when 3 of my buddies and I were on a 3 day camping trip. We loaded up an aluminum boat and headed out to one of the bayous close to Bridge City, Texas.
On the second day of the camping trip after eating lunch, Allen and I took the dishes to the bayou to wash them. While we were washing the dishes, we saw a nutria rat on the other side of the slough. 1 shot with the Ruger 10/22 took care of the animal. Allen and I got in the aluminum boat we used to reach the camping spot, then paddled over to retrieve the nutria rat.
Someone on my facebook friends list posted a picture of 4 survival firearms – pistol, Ruger 10/22, Remington 870 and AR-15.
22 Long Rifle VS 223 Remington
When you look at the two calibers, the 22 long rifle bullet is not much smaller then the 223 Remington. If your shots are less then 100 yards, the 22 long rifle loaded with high grade bullets can get close to 223 Remington. Lets be honest, there is no way the 22 Long Rifle can match the ballistics of the 223 Remington.
22 long rifle, CCI mini-mag hollow points, 36 grain bullet, bullet diameter .222 inch (5.6 mm)
223 Remington, 55 grain bullet full metal jacket, bullet diameter .224 inch (5.7 mm)
There is not “that” much difference between the 22 long rifle bullet and the 223 Remington bullet. Keep in mind we are talking about bullet diameter and bullet weight, and not the cartridge length.
Lets say that some kind of SHTF situation happens tonight, how ready is your ammunition stockpile? Whether its nuclear war, plague, disease outbreak, collapse of the dollar,,,, something happens to disrupt society. What kind of ammunition do you have stockpiled to hunt and protect your property? Have you taken any wild game with the ammunition you have stockpiled? Have you sighted in your rifle with the various types you have stockpiled?
My wife and I made a trip to the Academy sports and outdoors in Lufkin Texas just to buy some ammunition. It seems that the walmart in Jasper Texas can not keep certain types of ammunition in stock. Its either buy online, or drive almost an hour just to buy some ammo.
Todays Haul Includes:
100 rounds Federal 223 Remington
20 rounds 30-30 Winchester in Remington core-lokt 150 grain
20 rounds 308 Winchester in Remington core-lokt 150 grain
20 rounds 30-06 Springfield in Remington core-lokt 150 grain
120 rounds 7.62×39 in Monarch 123 grain full metal jacket
You may be asking “why so much Remington core-lokt?”
Because its a proven performer in southeast Texas whitetail deer.
I stockpile what I know works. Over the past decade and a half my family and I have taken dozens of whitetail deer with Remington core-lokt and in a wide range of calibers.
A few examples of deer taken taken with 30-30, 270 and 308 Winchester. All of these deer were taken with Remington core-lokt.
Year of development: 1947
Years of service: 1947 – present
Nations of service: Every communist nation under the sun
Conflicts of service: Just about every major conflict since 1947
Bullet diameter: 308 – 311
Bullet weight: 123 grains
Effective range: 400 meters
Capacity: Standard 30 round magazine
I have to be perfectly honest, the AK-47 is not my primary SHTF survival rifle.
AR-15 with its 223 Remington / 5.56mm NATO is well suited for dealing undesirable predators that come around the Bug Out Location and small game. There are a good number of people that deer and hogs with the 223 Remington, but I am not one of them. I am a firm believer of using enough gun for the job. When I go deer hunting, I use at least a 270 Winchester or a 280 Remington / 7mm Express.
The low recoil of the AR-15 makes it appealing to people like my teenage daughter.
FN/FAL with its 308 Winchester is well suited in a defensive role, and for taking deer sized game. Remington core-Lokt in 150 grains is more then capable of dropping a whitetail deer, or game of equal size.
My son hunts with a Marlin 336 30-30. The ammunition he uses is Remington core-lokt 150 grain softpoint. 150 grain bullet makes a small hole going in, and a larger hole going out. In the past 4 years my son has harvested 3 southeast Texas whitetail deer. One year he did not see anything worth taking.
What is going on at the local walmart? They can not keep American Eagle nor Federal 223 in stock. They just now started getting Tula 223 in stock. But I do not want to stockpile a crap load of steel cased 223.
Next weekend my wife and I are going out to a local sandpit to do some shooting. I just want to fire off a couple hundred rounds of 22 long rifle, 223, 7.62×39 and 45acp.
Is my local walmart in Jasper Texas just not ordering ammunition, or is ammo in such short supply they can not get any in?
If ammunition is in short supply, why can academy sports and outdoors in Lufkin and walmart in Nacogdoches get American Eagle?
Why do I have to drive 50 miles one direction to buy ammunition? Why cant the local walmart get their act together and keep some 223 and 308 ammunition on the shelves? Did I forget to mention my local walmart has not had 308 Winchester in Remington core-lokt in almost 2 months? The last time my wife and I went to Academy sports and outdoors in Lufkin, I had to buy Monarch 308 Winchester.
I just want to go to the sand pit and fire off a few hundred rounds. But for some reason I need an act of GOD just to find ammunition.
Test Rifle – DS Arms FN/FAL SA58
Temperature – mid 80s
Range – around 75 yards
My chronograph is missing. I would have loved to chrono the rounds, but it has somehow disappeared.
My FN/FAL is not a tack driver. Even with Remington core-lokt 150 grain and Hornady 168 grain BTHP the best I have seen so far is around 1 – 2 inch groups at 100 yards.
There were no malfunctions.
All rounds fed, fired and extracted with no issues.
We only fired 4 rounds. If there was issue with 4 rounds, there would be some serious problems.
I know this review is rather short, time was a limiting factor. My wife and I, and some of our friends went to the Bug Out Location for the weekend. Shooting the firearms was after cleaning up and stuff like cutting the grass.
Hopefully, in the next few weeks I can make it back to the BOL and do some more target shooting. I would like to do some side-by-side test with Remington, Federal and Monarch.
While stockpiling survival gear for a long term SHTF / TEOTWAWKI situation, I think it is important to pause, review, and then move forward. It does no good to stockpile the same thing over and over, while overlooking other essential preps. The changing of the seasons, a new year, or every 3 – 4 months are good times to do reviews.
January, February and March of 2012 were dedicated to buying a Remington 1911 R1, stockpiling 45acp, collecting some some books on chickens, buying some chicks and building my chicken coop. The 1911 is for personal / property defense, and the chickens are for a sustainable food source.
Related Forum Thread – My Chicken Coop Project
April, May and June of 2012 were dedicated to expanding my ability to purify water, some new cooking gear, expanding my stockpile of brass cased 223, buying some 308 Winchester, diversifying my stockpile of 22 long rifle and expanding my first aid supplies.
If water purification is not at the top of your long term survival plans, it should be. Without safe drinking water, life as we know it can not exist.
My recent additions were two Berkey black filters and a SteriPen Sidewinder.
The Royal Berkey I keep at the Bug Out Location has 2 black filters. Each filter has a life expectancy of around 3,000 gallons – depending on water quality. With the addition of 2 more filters, I can now filter an estimated 12,000 gallons of water.
Purpose:: This article is not to discuss the positive or negative points of the 300 Blackout, but rather should survivalist add another caliber to their collection. This is a blog of a survivalist, as such we are going to discuss topics related to prepping / survivalism and from a survivalist point of view.
History: The 300 Blackout was designed to be comparable to the 7.62X39, but to work in the AR platform. Think of a 30-30 short from an AR.
Availability: While the 300 Blackout is available in the AR platform and certain high grade bolt action platforms, it has not made the migration to the lesser expensive bolt action rifles.
When this article was published there are only a handful of bolt action rifles on the market chambered for 300 Blackout. As of early 2012 Savage has cancelled its plans for a 300 Blackout rifle. A Google search for Ruger 300 Blackout did not turn up any company related information.
From a survivalist point of view, why would I want to stockpile yet “another” caliber that is chambered in a limited number of rifles?
Related Forum Thread – How much ammunition to stockpile
223 Remington – Holy Mother of GOD, every major gun manufacturer in the world makes something in the 223.
7.62X39 – Slightly less then the Holy Mother of GOD 223 Remington, the 7.62×39 is chambered in a wide range of rifles.
308 Winchester – Holy Mother of GODs big sister, everybody and their brother and sister makes something in 308 Winchester.
In a previous article we talked about Stockpiling too many types of survival ammunition. This is a recap of that other article but with some new thoughts on the topic added.
Just in case you have not been paying attention, here lately certain types of ammunition is getting difficult to find. Just about all of the surplus ammo has dried up and a lot of the bulk stuff is sold out.
My local walmart here in Jasper Texas barely gets any American Eagle 223 in stock, and rarely gets Federal 308 Winchester. Remington Core-Lokt in 308 Winchester is right at $19.96. Its pretty sick when 308 is $1 a pop. My dad has some boxes of 30-06 at the camp that has a price tag of $13.96. I wish I would have bought a truck load of ammo back when it was cheap.
Over the past few years I have been buying cheap and stacking deep. The problem with buying cheap, you get steel cased ammo. This means a lot of my 223 and 7.62×39 is steel cased. The time has come to move past the steel cased ammo. So I have started buying American Eagle 223 and Federal bulk packs of 223.
One of the problems with owning firearms of various calibers, the more calibers you have, you have to stockpiling various types of ammunition.
My wife and I are going to Nacogdoches Texas on June 11, 2012. On the way we are going to pass through Lufkin. While in Lufkin we are going to stop at the academy sports and outdoors. At Academy I will be looking for Monarch 223 and Monarch 7.62×39.
The walmart website says the Lufkin store is sold out of Federal 308 and American Eagle 223, so I see no use in stopping at walmart. But then again, the walmart website says the Woodville store has American Eagle 223 in stock. But when I called the Woodville store, the lady told me they were out of stock. I guess the walmart website is hit and miss on its inventory system. My wife and I might stop at the Lufkin walmart store just to be sure.
The walmart website says the Nacogdoches store has both Federal 308 and American Eagle in stock.
Here we are looking at hitting 3 different stores for just 3 types of ammo. Academy sports and outdoors is the only place I get 7.62×39 from. If you take 7.62×39 out of the equation, we are looking at hitting 3 different stores for only 223 and 308.
We have not even talked about 30-06, 30-30, 270 Winchester or 280 Remington / 7mm Express.
30-06 and 280 Remington has gotten outrageously expensive. 280 / 7mm express has been expensive for a long time, with a price of around $25 a box for 20 rounds of Remington Core-Lokt.