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Is The 30-30 Winchester Obsolete

Hunting ammunition

With the innovation newer cartridges, is the 30-30 Winchester obsolete? This question arises from comments on a YouTube video I made about stockpiling ammo.

A John Rambo commented

It’s super popular because it’s been around since 1895. It makes a good youth deer rifle.

I’ve had to help a lot of people track wounded deers that they had hit with a 30-30. A 270 or 30-06 drops them rather quickly. I usually use a lever action Marlin 44mag a lot also.

I respectfully disagree. I have seen first hand time and time again what the 30-30 Winchester does to whitetail deer.

For close to a dozen years or so my dad and I were members of a local hunting lease. I would see the deer members brought in, and sometimes helped them skin the deer.

Typical deer camp stories were told of what time the deer came out, how many there were,,,. Whether it was a 30-30, 270, 308, 30-06,,, all the deer had something in common, they were dead.

As for having to track a deer, it is all about bullet placement. In world war I and world war II, the Army used to shoot deserters. There are stories of a deserters being with an M1 garand and living for several seconds.

The story of Eddie Slovik

Is the AR-10 Platform Needed

DS Arms SA58 FN/FAL

There is an article on AllOutdoor.com talking about ´╗┐Heavy duty SHTF battle rifles. The picture used for the article shows an AR-10 next to an FN/FAL. Looking at the picture I have to ask myself, why do we need an AR-10 in a niche that is already full?

The right arm of the free world, the FN/FAL that has been in service since 1954. As of 2015 that is 61 years.

M1A, which is based off the M14, battle proven, reliable, marksmanship rifle has been in service since 1974. The M14 has been in service since 1959. As of 2015 that is 56 years.

PTR-91, based off the Heckler and Koch G3, in service since the year 2000, so only 15 years as of 2015. The Heckler and Koch G3 has been in service since 1959. So 56 years like the M1A.

Rethinking SHTF Rifle And Ammunition Choices

SHTF survival rifle DS Arms SA58 FN/FAL

The shelves are empty, except for a few select calibers. Those calibers are 243 Winchester, 30-30 Winchester, 270 Winchester, 7mm magnum, 45 colt and 30-06 Springfield. A line of people are standing at the counter in the hopes the store got a shipment in.

Sounds like something from a movie? Nope, its the result of panic buying after the Communist Dianne Feinstein talked about another gun ban in the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting.

The calibers left on the shelf share some common denominators, they do not fit semi-automatic rifles, nor are they chambered in modern day military grade rifles.

There are semi-automatic rifles on the market chambered for 243 Winchester and 270 Winchester, but they are not very popular with modern day hunters.

What Was Sold Out

Another Stockpiling Ammunition For SHTF TEOTWAWKI Article

Remington core-lokt, Federal 223 Remington and Monarch 7.62x39

Lets say that some kind of SHTF situation happens tonight, how ready is your ammunition stockpile? Whether its nuclear war, plague, disease outbreak, collapse of the dollar,,,, something happens to disrupt society. What kind of ammunition do you have stockpiled to hunt and protect your property? Have you taken any wild game with the ammunition you have stockpiled? Have you sighted in your rifle with the various types you have stockpiled?

My wife and I made a trip to the Academy sports and outdoors in Lufkin Texas just to buy some ammunition. It seems that the walmart in Jasper Texas can not keep certain types of ammunition in stock. Its either buy online, or drive almost an hour just to buy some ammo.

Todays Haul Includes:

  • 100 rounds Federal 223 Remington
  • 20 rounds 30-30 Winchester in Remington core-lokt 150 grain
  • 20 rounds 308 Winchester in Remington core-lokt 150 grain
  • 20 rounds 30-06 Springfield in Remington core-lokt 150 grain
  • 120 rounds 7.62×39 in Monarch 123 grain full metal jacket

You may be asking, “Why so much Remington core-lokt?”

Quest for the Best SHTF Survival Rifle

SA-58 FN/FAL

For years, and I mean for “years”, my survival rifle list went something like this – Marlin 336 in 30-30, AR-15, Ruger mini-14, Ruger mini-30, AK-47, Ruger 10/22 and the Marlin model 60. The problem with that list, all of the rifles are short and medium caliber. The largest caliber rifle would have been the marlin 336 in 30-30 or the AK-47 in 7.62×39.

In my opinion, no survival rifle collection is complete without at least a rifle in the 308 Winchester and 30-06 range. When push comes to shove, a survivalist needs a rifle with some knock down power. In north America, the 308 and 30-06 are capable of taking just about any animal, except for the most dangerous grizzly or polar bear. For most applications – whitetail deer, hogs, prong horn, coyote, mule deer,,,,,, the 308 Winchester and 30-06 Springfield can fit the bill.

So where does this leave us? We could go with a bolt action rifle like the Remington model 700, Weatherby Vanguard or the Ruger model 70. But for a long term SHTF survival situation, I would like something with a detachable magazine.

Bolt actions rifles aside, this leaves us with the M1A, PTR-91, and the FN/FAL.

DS Arms SA58 FAL First Impressions

DS Arms SA58 FN/FAL

Long story short – I am impressed with this rifle. Now for the rest of the story.

Back on October 21 I started a thread in the forum asking what was the best 308 semi-auto for the money. There were lots of suggestions thrown around; like the PTR-91, CETME, Springfield M1A, FAL,,,,,. In the end I decided to spend the money for a quality product, and purchased a DS Arms SA58 FAL.

Factory, right of the box – I would compare the recoil to a 30-30. But this is a full sized 308 Winchester.

Is like having the best of 2 worlds:

1 – full powered rifle cartridge.

2 – light recoil

Unlike the Remington model 750 that has a small box magazine, the DS Arms FAL has a 20 round magazine.

When my FAL arrived at the firearms dealer I made the purchase through, I just happened to be on a 3 day camping trip on the Angelina River.

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