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Picking a rifle caliber for a long term SHTF situation

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If you were going to pick a rifle caliber for a long term SHTF situation, what would that caliber be?

For some reason I woke up this morning thinking about my 7mm express / 280 Remington and how the panic buying in the first half of 2013 caused a shortage in ammunition supplies.

When I got my Remington model 700 in 280 I wanted something that was around the 270 or 30-06, and something that would work on heavier game such as elk and moose.

In all honestly I put too much though into picking the 280 Remington.  While it is a fine caliber, the price of ammunition has gone up so much shooting has gotten downright expensive.  With a box of 20 rounds costing more than $25 stockpiling is cost prohibitive.

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Best Gun for Hunting Wild Pigs After SHTF

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Hunting wild hogs in a river bottomA couple of weeks ago a couple of my buddies and I get a hog out of a local river bottom.  One person of our group was carrying an AR-15, I was carrying my Remington 1911 R1.

While we were packing the hog out, I kept wondering how well the 223 Remington would do on wild hogs?  I know the 223 Remington is effective, but how effective is it on hogs?  Hogs have a thick fat layer, how would that fat layer affect bullet performance?

Lets say that some kind of SHTF situation happens, you and a couple of your buddies go on a hog hunt, what rifles would you pick?  Would you pick a semi-auto in 223 Remington or 7.62X39, lever action or bolt action?

steveleeilikeguns goes on a wild hog hunt with a Mini-14.

The above video makes a good argument for the Ruger Mini-14 and AR-15 platform for hunting after SHTF – low recoil, fast followup shots, effective on hog and deer sized game.

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Two rifle calibers for SHTF survival

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This evening my wife and I went to the camp (aka Bug Out Location) to check on things.  While I was looking through the ammunition stocks, it was like someone turned on a light.  I realized the ammo that I was looking at was divided into 2 categories – small rifle (22 long rifle) and medium/large rifle (30-30, 308 and 30-06).

The 223 and 7.62×39 are stored separately from the main hunting calibers.  When my family goes to the camp during deer season, they do not need to dig through 500+ rounds of 223 to find a box of 30-06 or 308.

While I was looking at the 22 long rifle and the 30-30, 308 and 30-06 I realized that most people would only need 2 calibers for a shtf survival situation.

1 rifle caliber for small game hunting.

1 rifle caliber for everything else.

22 long rifle

Ruger 10/22 22 Long Rifle For SHTFLets say that some kind of long term disaster happens, such as civil unrest, climate change, new disease breaksout.  You and your family head to the remote camp.  Unless you have a small farm with chickens, rabbits, hogs, or goats, the main source of meat is either going to be fishing or hunting.

The 22 long rifle is well suited for taking just about any small game in North America, maybe even anywhere in the world.

If the muzzle report is a concern, stock upon 22 shorts or sub-sonic ammo.

If you need a little more power then the 22 long rifle, there is the 22 magnum.

When my dad was growing up, one of the families main sources of food was small game, like squirrels.  For hunting the tree rats, my dad used 22 shorts.   When I was growing up, my dad used to take me and my brother squirrel hunting every winter.  Instead of using a 22 rifle, we used shotguns – my dad used a 12 gauge with #4 shot, and I used my single shot Winchester 410.  when I got old enough, my dad bought me a Montgomery Ward Western Field (Mossberg) 12 gauge pump shotgun.

Related forum sectionRuger 10/22 Forum

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Picking a survival rifle caliber

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.30 caliber survival rifleThere is a thread in the forum asking whether the 7mm or 8mm would make a good caliber for a survival rifle.  When you walk into a pawn shop and you see a bunch of a certain type of firearms, that is usually not a good sign.  If people like a product, they tend to hang onto it.

22 Long Rifle

The 22 long rifle should not need an introduction.  The ammunition can be fired in rifles and pistols, firearms are not expensive and they have a long life expectancy.  With the low recoil of the 22, parts last long then a full sized rifle caliber.

The low cost of the 22 ammunition makes it attractive to survivalist who want to stockpile thousands or tens of thousands of rounds.

The 22long rifle is effective on small game and does not do a lot of damage to the meat.  When you use a 12 gauge on a squirrel, you might have to pick out a bunch of BBs.  If you take a squirrel with a 22 short, you have 1 bullet hole.

A couple of my favorite rifles in 22 long rifle include the Marlin Model 60 and the Ruger 10/22.  My Ruger 10/22 was bought in January of 1986 and is still going strong.

223 Remington / 5.56mm

Standard service round of the US military.  there are survivalist out there that plan on using the 223 as their main survival rifle after SHTF, but I personally would not want to use the 223/5.56mm on deer sized game.

If you want a rifle for hunting after SHTF, there are better options out there besides the 223.

One of the really nice things about the 223, there is a wide range of rifle options available on the market.  There is everything from bolt actions rifle, to the Ruger Mini-14, to the AR-15.

243 / 6mm

The 243 is favored by a lot of people who hunt deer sized game, mainly due to the low recoil. for small framed people the 243 is a viable deer option, but bullet placement is critical.

I say the 243 is good for small framed people, but I used to work with a guy that was around 6 feet 3 inches tall, and he liked using the 243 for deer.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with the 243.  Shooters should be aware of the limitations of the cartridge.

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My Remington Model 700 is back

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Remington 700 BDL

Remington Model 700 BDL looking out of deer stand

A couple of years ago my Remington model 700 started shooting funny.  1 round would hit to the right, the next round would then hit straight up from zero – both rounds would be around 18 – 24 inches from zero.  At first I thought it was the scope – so I replaced the scope and the problem was still there.  I tried different types of ammo, and the problem was still there.

One day I noticed that stock had warped and was touching the barrel.  When the rifle was new the barrel was floated, so that you could slide a dollar bill between the stock and the barrel.  But now, the dollar would not slide under the stock at all.

Fast forward about two years – and during that time I have not taken a single deer.  A buddy of mine is over at my house, who just happens to work on firearms.  I tell him about my rifles problems – and he tells he that he has a spare stock and a spare target trigger.  So my buddy takes my rifle with him.

A couple of weeks later I get my rifle back, but it needs to be sighted in before its used for hunting.  This past weekend I take the rifle to the camp and fire off a couple of rounds – and its hitting dead center just like it was years ago.

This morning I took my Remington model 700 in 7mm express / 280 out on a hunting trip.  It was not until I held that rifle again, that I realized how much I missed that rifle and how well it shoots.

My Remington 700 BDL Mountain rifle is 16 years old.  In the past 16 years I have taken more East Texas whitetail deer then I can count.  The first deer was a small 4 point sometime around 1994 or 1995.  The next few were some spikes and does in the following years.  In 2000 I went through a rather nasty divorce and did not do much of anything for a few years.

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Pistol rifle and shotgun combo

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There is a thread in the forum asking what rifle, shotgun and pistol combination you would pick for a survival situation. The shotgun has to be multi-purpose for urban defense and harvesting wild game. The rifle caliber has to be big enough to harvest deer, wild hogs, elk and maybe even moose. The pistol has to be for hunting and or personal defense.

Here are my picks:

Shotgun – Remington 870 or Mossberg 500, I personally prefer the Mossberg 500 because I like the safety location of the Mossberg 500 better then I do the Remington 870 safety.  I also do not like the flap over the Remington 870 magazine well – I get my fingers pinched there when trying to load a round into the magazine.  Between the 870 and the 500, I find the 500 much easier to load and shoot.

Rifle – FAL in 308, or Remington model 700 in 270, 280, 308 or 30-06.

The FAL – also known as the right arm of the free world has proven its reliability all over the world. The 308 Winchester should be able to take just about any wild animal in North America – except maybe that largest of bears.

The 270, 280 and 30-06 in a Remington model 700 prove their effectiveness on wild game every hunting season.

Pistol – Springfield XD in 45acp or Beretta 9mm.

Post your comments in this forum thread about the best survival rifle, pistol and shotgun.

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